Where you know my friend morgan murphy is kicked off twitter forever too because she got in some sort of a debate i think i don't remember who it was about but she was basically her she's a feminist and her problem was that transgender women are entering into these female spaces and sort of dominating them with these almost like male perspectives on female issues and it pisses her off she's like we have to acknowledge that women are a real thing right and then people are like you know but this is a real woman and she's like a man is never a woman and she posted that on twitter and they said you know this is hate speech this is your your whatever you're doing you're what you're misgendering and so they banned her for life forever for that which is crazy the taliban is still on twitter i know well there's a you know there's so many things that you can say and this is where it's weird the content moderation conversation is a big conversation that needs to be had when you're talking about like well what is what what should these platforms be concerned with when they're talking about content moderation right and you know in my mind and when you think of like section 230 and it's provisions the language that's in there and you know like what they get immunity for when they're engaging in content moderation it's like what's in view there is like lewd and indecent con content you know like things that wouldn't be appropriate in the actual physical town square um death threats and things like that stuff that's like not even lawful speech i mean obviously you know there's a there's a sure there's a place for like taking that kind of stuff down harass like terrible harassment where you're
Move on to what something that you want to talk about. Anyone want to discuss that? Go ahead. >> I think this is one of the most dangerous things that's facing our country. Um, look at who lined up uh behind President Trump at the inauguration. It was the leaders of all the biggest algorithms now uh with the merger deal. He's got uh every big tech I mean every uh big media company basically sucking up to him, silencing free expression, CBS and the rest. Uh and I think it doesn't just apply to right-wing media institutions. There are also left-wing media institutions who are resistant to change as well. There are local media institutions who are playing politics and electioneering. And that's why I really am so grateful and inspired by what Courier and others have done. And it is something that I have tried to do and have that's how I got here was try to make independent media to try to get my voice out there unfiltered to people because that's what the Democratic Party has to do. We don't stand a chance if we're going to be filtered through the Trump billionaire oligarchs. >> If I can just give you a few more seconds, what would you do to correct this to try to mitigate this? >> There's only a hundred million things that we have to do. One of those things is to is to uh repeal section 230 to allow us to hold um uh uh uh uh social media companies accountable for the user generated content. Another thing we have to do is make sure that we break up and do not allow these mega mergers uh to go through on on the media side. The other
After Elon took over Twitter, libs, a lot of celebrities decided to leave. Business people stayed, lots of anonymous accounts. It's the free speech platform of all free speech platforms. It's chaotic. But what impact, just in that very tiny nuance of followers to algorithm, has changed and impacted politics? Because it feels like the filter bubble is becoming incredibly pronounced. I mean, you you give two or three things a like and now that's the rest of your entire day. >> Yeah, look, for me I don't think a person should have a correlated stance on taxes and abortion and and Gaza and, you know, the free market and whatever else. Um Partisanship is a very powerful force to squish this sort of complicated array of political issues we have in the United States on into into just one dimension, blue versus red or left versus right. And social media, Twitter in particular, I think is a very effective mechanism for that. And I get I get totally yelled at for um any bit of heterodoxy, like in particular like saying, "Biden is obviously too old. Democrats you're going to you're going to lose unless you replace him." Like that, even though it's a stance that like literally 80% of voters agree with, will make you like seem like a heretic on Twitter. I've been critical, by the way, of of parts of what Elon has done. Although some of the things predate him, like the algorithmic feed um wasn't purely invented by Elon. It was improved or perfected or worsened, depending on your point of view, by the current regime
To go toe-to-toe with the powers that be and he wasn't willing to to pass regulation to go and bust this stuff up. Like he he did some stuff that as a conservative was actually pretty pretty wild. Like he actually went and busted up strikes. He started the FDA. He started the National Park Services. And so I think there is a that is the job of the government in some ways um to to keep keep things in check. Um but you you got to believe that no regulation is going to be passed on the way on the way we throttle content. And so, yeah, the the the traditional mainstream media is certainly on its way out. And I do think this is a great trend towards democratization of content, but we also have to be incredibly purposeful all the way at the top with regulation, all the way at the bottom with taking what you see on the internet seriously, not ripping sig for something that you've never actually shot like an idiot. Um, >> oh, but I I so I think I think that's one. And then the other kind of dark horse here is the AI stuff is just the amount of of bots or the amount of AI generated content that is just in really in the last 6 months gone and just transcended these spaces which back back to the importance of of guys like you guys like Rogan like >> the way you cut through that is by having personalities you trust, >> right? And that that makes y'all's job all the more important because suddenly there's so much other content. Now, the thing that content won't be able to replicate is a voice of truth, but that again creates centralization. And so, it's just a ton of trust that has to be
Maybe we really do get to a point where we can balance the budget and people accept a certain level of austerity. Maybe AI really does grow so much, makes so many things possible and yet remain in our control that like we're able to grow our way out of the big problems and there really is enough for everybody and enough people can understand how assets work that it's just not a good way to take advantage of people anymore because if once people understand finance, they can't be abused by it. Mhm. So you know, those are all the things that we can hope, but there right now we do not show any inclination that we're going to shut the um the perverse incentives down. Yeah. Well, something else is on the cusp of getting shut down. Um a landmark big tech case is coming to America. Um it already played out in Europe and it played out in Australia where they have social media bans at 16 now. Um there are two simultaneous lawsuits happening in California and New Mexico and opening arguments started today. Today opening statements said to begin in the landmark social media trial against the world's biggest tech companies accused of harming children and fueling addiction. Top CEOs like Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg expected to testify, but his company is already playing defense releasing this statement. Quote, "We strongly disagree with these allegations and are confident the evidence will show our long-standing commitment to supporting young people. For over a decade we've listened to parents, worked with experts, and law enforcement and conducted in-depth research to understand the issues that
Taken over by private multinational corporations. And the easiest example of that to think about is is is you know what is sort of euphemistically called the public square which is where people get information about how to vote and what's going on in the world and how to make decisions and how to exercise their rights and duties as citizens. Our public discourse is really almost entirely privatized and owned by corporations who, you know, as many many people have demonstrated, it's not news to your listeners or to anyone, um that public discourse um the priority is not the free expression of ideas and democratic deliberation. It is uh the monetization of attention and of outrage. And more than that, um, a fairly recent vintage is the fact that public platforms on which we exchange ideas as citizens and democracies are dominated by bots, right? They were all of them have been inverted for several years now or different numbers of years. You know, from X to Facebook to Tik Tok, there are far more bots than humans on those platforms. And those bots are many of them are owned by corporations and have particular acts their own kind of financial interests, but they're owned by state actors and non-state actors and criminals and terrorists. And so I think what we're at risk of is losing the liberal constitutional democracy and having it become supplanted by what I describe as the artificial state. So, one of the things that really struck me about this
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